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	<title>Comments on: First Refinances, Then Credit Cards.  What&#8217;s Next?</title>
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		<title>By: Credit Card Forum</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-32176</link>
		<author>Credit Card Forum</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like American just go from one bubble of credit to another. First stocks in late 90's, then mortgage/housing, and now credit cards. I try and promote responsible use of any form of credit and a lot of people do use them right, but unfortunately it seems like just as many use them the wrong way. The average credit card debt in America is now $4200 per person, but keep in mind they count monthly balances whether they are paid off in full or not so that number is a little skewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like American just go from one bubble of credit to another. First stocks in late 90&#8217;s, then mortgage/housing, and now credit cards. I try and promote responsible use of any form of credit and a lot of people do use them right, but unfortunately it seems like just as many use them the wrong way. The average credit card debt in America is now $4200 per person, but keep in mind they count monthly balances whether they are paid off in full or not so that number is a little skewed.</p>
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		<title>By: KMC</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12823</link>
		<author>KMC</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12823</guid>
		<description>@ Ricardo - That would explain the condition of the short sale house we looked at - security system ripped (literally) out of the walls, no appliances, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ricardo - That would explain the condition of the short sale house we looked at - security system ripped (literally) out of the walls, no appliances, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo Bueno</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12816</link>
		<author>Ricardo Bueno</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12816</guid>
		<description>I've always said our current market correction is going to bring to light just how much of America has been living beyond their means. 

The days of using home equity like an ATM are over! Unfortunately you're correct, new schemes abound and the desperate consumer falls victim. Schemes such as Pay Day Loans (I use the term "scheme" differently here. Though some people use Pay Day Loans properly, many fall victim to the high interest rates and find themselves unable to pay at which point the debt hole keeps getting bigger and bigger). 

One homeowner went as far as vandalizing their own home (cabinets, doors, toilets...everything!). They took it all to TJ to sell it! The police was called but they couldn't prosecute because although the home was undergoing foreclosure, it still legally belonged to them and they could do as they pleased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always said our current market correction is going to bring to light just how much of America has been living beyond their means. </p>
<p>The days of using home equity like an ATM are over! Unfortunately you&#8217;re correct, new schemes abound and the desperate consumer falls victim. Schemes such as Pay Day Loans (I use the term &#8220;scheme&#8221; differently here. Though some people use Pay Day Loans properly, many fall victim to the high interest rates and find themselves unable to pay at which point the debt hole keeps getting bigger and bigger). </p>
<p>One homeowner went as far as vandalizing their own home (cabinets, doors, toilets&#8230;everything!). They took it all to TJ to sell it! The police was called but they couldn&#8217;t prosecute because although the home was undergoing foreclosure, it still legally belonged to them and they could do as they pleased.</p>
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		<title>By: annonymous</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12761</link>
		<author>annonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12761</guid>
		<description>more debt at a higher rate could equal more profits if defaults don't rise by as much as the increased debt load (which is most likely what will happen). I mean c'mon Amex is down 6% on $250m in after tax write-offs. 

A good play would be to go short retail on a move up (as the consumer uses their credit cards to keep on buying) and go long the consumer credit companies (which are more beat up than the retailers). As the consumer gets loaded up, they will use their money to try to pay off their credit cards and stop spending, thus hurting retail and making money for the credit card companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more debt at a higher rate could equal more profits if defaults don&#8217;t rise by as much as the increased debt load (which is most likely what will happen). I mean c&#8217;mon Amex is down 6% on $250m in after tax write-offs. </p>
<p>A good play would be to go short retail on a move up (as the consumer uses their credit cards to keep on buying) and go long the consumer credit companies (which are more beat up than the retailers). As the consumer gets loaded up, they will use their money to try to pay off their credit cards and stop spending, thus hurting retail and making money for the credit card companies.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12693</link>
		<author>frank</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12693</guid>
		<description>Wow, along with the penalties....man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, along with the penalties&#8230;.man.</p>
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		<title>By: KMC</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12621</link>
		<author>KMC</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12621</guid>
		<description>I think I heard that same story on NPR.  I just turned the radio off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I heard that same story on NPR.  I just turned the radio off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Micah</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12593</link>
		<author>Mrs. Micah</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12593</guid>
		<description>@frank, I saw something on Boston Girl's Open Wallet about a person taking out a lot of money from her 401(k) so she could go to Bermuda. But it wasn't a loan, I think, she just took it along with the penalties. *shudder*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@frank, I saw something on Boston Girl&#8217;s Open Wallet about a person taking out a lot of money from her 401(k) so she could go to Bermuda. But it wasn&#8217;t a loan, I think, she just took it along with the penalties. *shudder*</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12584</link>
		<author>frank</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12584</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;"So what’s next - widespread car pawning?"&lt;/i&gt;
No, no, no, you forgot that people can take out loans from their 401(k) :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;So what’s next - widespread car pawning?&#8221;</i><br />
No, no, no, you forgot that people can take out loans from their 401(k) <img src='http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Minimum Wage</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12564</link>
		<author>Minimum Wage</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/first-refinances-then-credit-cards-whats-next/#comment-12564</guid>
		<description>What's next?  Payday loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s next?  Payday loans.</p>
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