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		<title>By: pf101</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-128</link>
		<author>pf101</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding keeping separate account for vacation, car, etc. it's just a lazy form of accounting that works for many people.  I do this because it makes my life much easier.  I'm a huge proponent of making things as easy and automatic as possible because for most people, the more time you have to spend doing it, the more likely it is you will fail.  With my method, I have to track nothing myself and that makes me happy.  I just check once a month to make sure everything transferred out and then I'm good.

For my system, I use an ING account.  With ING, you can set up sub-accounts under your main account log-in and name them anything you want.  You can also set up auto contributions/deductions for each account so they take different amounts at different times.  So, when I log into ING I can see at a glance how much I've saved towards each goal.  I think this is easier than tracking on an excel spreadsheet because, after the initial set-up, I never have to do anything again if I don't want to while with Excel I have to continually make updates.  But as with everything about personal finance, it's all about what works for you.  Read, learn and then apply what fits and disregard what doesn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding keeping separate account for vacation, car, etc. it&#8217;s just a lazy form of accounting that works for many people.  I do this because it makes my life much easier.  I&#8217;m a huge proponent of making things as easy and automatic as possible because for most people, the more time you have to spend doing it, the more likely it is you will fail.  With my method, I have to track nothing myself and that makes me happy.  I just check once a month to make sure everything transferred out and then I&#8217;m good.</p>
<p>For my system, I use an ING account.  With ING, you can set up sub-accounts under your main account log-in and name them anything you want.  You can also set up auto contributions/deductions for each account so they take different amounts at different times.  So, when I log into ING I can see at a glance how much I&#8217;ve saved towards each goal.  I think this is easier than tracking on an excel spreadsheet because, after the initial set-up, I never have to do anything again if I don&#8217;t want to while with Excel I have to continually make updates.  But as with everything about personal finance, it&#8217;s all about what works for you.  Read, learn and then apply what fits and disregard what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: pfodyssey</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-107</link>
		<author>pfodyssey</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Yah, I don't really keep anything in a separate account for purchases such as these.  It goes where I need it (other expenses, savings, etc) and I use it as I need it (ex: to buy a new car, etc).  I'm inefficient enough as it is...trying to be the master of more accounts would just make it worse. 

2) Heck, how many people do you think even finish step 1?  Recent statistics suggest not too many.  My focus is just to fund them all to the max...period.  If I can just accomplish that, then I'll worry about the order.  Also, I think the amount to go into your 401(k) really depends on your tax situation as well (how much benefit do you want now vs. later (by investing in a Roth).

3) There is something to be said about ease of use, but I think there is a point where you are cheating yourself out of some money unneccessarily.  For example, I won't get into an online account that won't let me write paper checks.  I don't write them often, but when I need to, I want to be able to do so.   I might think differently if the margin was that much better (ex: a full percentage point), but it's not - they are comparable options.   I would encourage you to consider GE Interest Plus http://geinterestplus.com/interestplus/ - great yields and a lot of flexibility including ACH transfer to your main bank account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Yah, I don&#8217;t really keep anything in a separate account for purchases such as these.  It goes where I need it (other expenses, savings, etc) and I use it as I need it (ex: to buy a new car, etc).  I&#8217;m inefficient enough as it is&#8230;trying to be the master of more accounts would just make it worse. </p>
<p>2) Heck, how many people do you think even finish step 1?  Recent statistics suggest not too many.  My focus is just to fund them all to the max&#8230;period.  If I can just accomplish that, then I&#8217;ll worry about the order.  Also, I think the amount to go into your 401(k) really depends on your tax situation as well (how much benefit do you want now vs. later (by investing in a Roth).</p>
<p>3) There is something to be said about ease of use, but I think there is a point where you are cheating yourself out of some money unneccessarily.  For example, I won&#8217;t get into an online account that won&#8217;t let me write paper checks.  I don&#8217;t write them often, but when I need to, I want to be able to do so.   I might think differently if the margin was that much better (ex: a full percentage point), but it&#8217;s not - they are comparable options.   I would encourage you to consider GE Interest Plus <a href="http://geinterestplus.com/interestplus/" >http://geinterestplus.com/interestplus/</a> - great yields and a lot of flexibility including <acronym title="Automated Clearing House">ACH</acronym> transfer to your main bank account.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance #98 &#8594; We&#8217;re In Debt</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-95</link>
		<author>Carnival of Personal Finance #98 &#8594; We&#8217;re In Debt</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-95</guid>
		<description>[...] Personal Finance looks at the smart money moves that they don&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Personal Finance looks at the smart money moves that they don&#8217;t [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-82</link>
		<author>Moose</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-82</guid>
		<description>All the advice that people write about is what works for them, so they let other people know about it.  If you see something that interests you, you can try it out.  But if you're doing something that works for you, then don't change it.

I'm kind of in the same boat as you: no extra money for a car, although I'm still making the payments, fund my 401(k) and put what I can into a Roth, and have an emergency/large purchase fund that I have easy (but not too easy) access to.  That works for me, so I don't need to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the advice that people write about is what works for them, so they let other people know about it.  If you see something that interests you, you can try it out.  But if you&#8217;re doing something that works for you, then don&#8217;t change it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of in the same boat as you: no extra money for a car, although I&#8217;m still making the payments, fund my 401(k) and put what I can into a Roth, and have an emergency/large purchase fund that I have easy (but not too easy) access to.  That works for me, so I don&#8217;t need to change.</p>
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		<title>By: $1 Million to My Name: 4/26 spin on the Blog Carousel</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-81</link>
		<author>$1 Million to My Name: 4/26 spin on the Blog Carousel</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-81</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] but for all you smart people that do, please read this article.Advanced Personal Finance discusses "Money Smart Moves I Do Not Make." This article interested me greatly, only because I drive a very reliable 2001 Toyota RAV4. But [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-74</link>
		<author>Lazy Man and Money</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-74</guid>
		<description>As Samerwriter noted, it's way to complicated to keep various accounts  separate in the bank.  Why not go with one account, but set up a spreadsheet for each of the things, so that you know how much you need to save for each month.  Just take a look around the home and add up the big ticket items (cars, furniture, anything else?) and figure when you need to replace them and how much they will be.  Amoritize that cost and you'll know how much you should put aside.  I'd add in some 10% to make sure you have a little surplus.  It would take a little planning, but you do it once, and you are done for the next 10-15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Samerwriter noted, it&#8217;s way to complicated to keep various accounts  separate in the bank.  Why not go with one account, but set up a spreadsheet for each of the things, so that you know how much you need to save for each month.  Just take a look around the home and add up the big ticket items (cars, furniture, anything else?) and figure when you need to replace them and how much they will be.  Amoritize that cost and you&#8217;ll know how much you should put aside.  I&#8217;d add in some 10% to make sure you have a little surplus.  It would take a little planning, but you do it once, and you are done for the next 10-15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ad-Free Personal Finance Blogs Aggregator</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-71</link>
		<author>The Ad-Free Personal Finance Blogs Aggregator</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] average daily options volume is around 1,500. I thought it odd ahead of earnings but ... (more)   Money smart moves I do not make (8 clicks) From Advanced Personal Finance - view blog entries - visit this blogApril 26, 2007 at [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: samerwriter</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-68</link>
		<author>samerwriter</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen some people keep a separate "car account", "vacation account", "emergency account", etc.. To me, that seems way too complicated. I think a moderately disciplined person can simplify their life by dumping everything into a single high-yield account.

For me there's an added psychological benefit. It's hard for me to spend money from our savings account (because it's savings!), while it's easy to spend money that's specifically earmarked for a certain purpose. By lumping all the money together, I'm less likely to spend it (it's more fun watching the lump grow, then it is to watch it shrink).

I don't understand the appeal of the high-yield savings accounts. I guess they are FDIC insured, which is great and all. But I keep my money in a MMA as well (Vanguard). My rate usually beats the high-yield rates, and there are no gimmicks involved. Besides, it keeps all my funds together in one place where I can easily shift excess cash into the world's best index funds.

I guess some people enjoy the "thrill of the chase", hunting down the best interest rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some people keep a separate &#8220;car account&#8221;, &#8220;vacation account&#8221;, &#8220;emergency account&#8221;, etc.. To me, that seems way too complicated. I think a moderately disciplined person can simplify their life by dumping everything into a single high-yield account.</p>
<p>For me there&#8217;s an added psychological benefit. It&#8217;s hard for me to spend money from our savings account (because it&#8217;s savings!), while it&#8217;s easy to spend money that&#8217;s specifically earmarked for a certain purpose. By lumping all the money together, I&#8217;m less likely to spend it (it&#8217;s more fun watching the lump grow, then it is to watch it shrink).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the appeal of the high-yield savings accounts. I guess they are FDIC insured, which is great and all. But I keep my money in a MMA as well (Vanguard). My rate usually beats the high-yield rates, and there are no gimmicks involved. Besides, it keeps all my funds together in one place where I can easily shift excess cash into the world&#8217;s best index funds.</p>
<p>I guess some people enjoy the &#8220;thrill of the chase&#8221;, hunting down the best interest rate.</p>
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		<title>By: TFB</title>
		<link>http://advancedpersonalfinance.com/money-smart-moves-i-do-not-make/#comment-67</link>
		<author>TFB</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not making those smart moves either. 1) I don't have a car payment. Car is paid off at the time of purchase. 2) Everything is funded to the max. The order doesn't matter. 3) I use a money market fund too and it actually pays more than HSBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not making those smart moves either. 1) I don&#8217;t have a car payment. Car is paid off at the time of purchase. 2) Everything is funded to the max. The order doesn&#8217;t matter. 3) I use a money market fund too and it actually pays more than HSBC.</p>
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